Official Raw thread

Not specifically RAW related but since we were discussing the Draft in here... According to 411 this is the outcome of the supplemental draft (can't check WWE at work - swimwear/lingerie block apparently...) so don't blame me if it's wrong!

• Ken Kennedy: Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
  Shad Gaspard: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown
  Alicia Fox: Drafted from ECW to Smackdown
  Primo Colon (Current Unified Tag Team champion): Drafted from Smackdown to Raw
  Mike Knox: Drafted from Raw to Smackdown

Another pointless set of supplemental moves then!

No problems with Kennedy as I've never rated him anyway; Alicia Fox and Mike Knox - couldn't care less about either (although a Knox 'n' Fox Connection team-up would be worth it for the name alone) which just leaves Shad (who's gash) and Primo.

I don't get it.

Over the course of the draft they've split up three tag teams (they only have like five so it's hardly rocket science to keep some together) AND they went to the trouble of giving the Colons a decent rub by putting them over Morrison & Miz only to effectively split them up and make the whole thing UTTERLY POINTLESS!!!

Ugh. Why do I bother with this shit anymore?

Pick #1: Raw selects Mr. Kennedy
Pick #2: SmackDown selects Shad Gaspard
Pick #3: SmackDown selects Alicia Fox
Pick #4: Raw selects Primo
Pick #5: SmackDown selects Mike Knox
Pick #6: ECW selects Ezekiel Jackson
Pick #7: Raw selects Nikki Bella
Pick #8: Smackdown selects Candice Michelle
Pick #9: ECW selects Zack Ryder
Pick #10: Raw selects Chavo Guerrero
Pick #11: Smackdown selects Ricky Ortiz
Pick #12: Smackdown selects Layla
Pick #13: Raw selects Hornswoggle
Pick #14: ECW selects DH Smith
Pick #15: Smackdown selects John Morrison
Pick #16: Raw selects Carlito
Pick #17: ECW selects Natalya
Pick #18: Raw selects Festus
Pick #19: Smackdown selects JTG
Pick #20: Smackdown selects Dolph Ziggler
Pick #21: Raw selects The Brian Kendrick
Pick #22: Smackdown selects Charlie Haas
Pick #23: ECW selects Hurricane Helms
Pick #24: Raw selects Brie Bella
---END OF DRAFT---

The "negativity" that you see, Stig, was more towards the lack of established main evvent talent on one show when they haven't room to use everything they've got on the other. It just really stinks of bad planning. I agree entirely about the return of the "Smackdown 6" style era, especially if the gamble pays off. It's just that if you compare main events like HHH v Cena to Jeff v Y2J, the latter may be more fresh and watchable, but it won't stand out as a money match on the card. THAT'S my concern. Plus the fact that we KNOW Raw is the A show, but everey year or so they try to play the pair off against each other and convince you that it's a fair battle.

As I've commented in a few places, the "just short of the main event" group is Smackdown's advantage - there are so many guys they can push there, and the switch of Morrison for Kenedy doesn't hurt that much either - but that is then offset by the insistence of giving 10-15 minutes of each show to the archived matches they show. That's another good little match in there...give Haas v Morrison or Rey v Punk 10 minutes to show wat they can do.

I am intrigued by the Smith + Natalya to ECW though to join Kidd. Possible stable?

DH Smith must be the first drafted superstar to never appear on the previous show.

Kennedy came close too, didn't he?

Yeah but he actually wrestled a few matches before injuring himself yet again.

Anyone else going tonight?

Was a good show tonight, the Santino segment was fantastic and HHH V Orton was better than their Wrestlemania match. Shame about the amount of kids there though, they prevented me from fulfilling a dream of shouting paedophile at Lawler and gave me a headache with all their screaming.

They filmed superstars after Raw, all 2 matches off it! Even better, the kids/parents didn't realise their was another show and fucked off!!!:D:D

The ending of the Punk v Kane match had to be redone (so much for being an indy superstar...) & there were 2 dark matches, Regal beating Dolph Zigler and Cena retaining his title against Edge.

Have to admit to not liking the TV aspect and prefer indy shows as a result, perhaps I would enjoy a PPV, summerslam is in LA this year and I've got a lot of friends out there....

STEAMBOAT V JERICHO AT BACKLASH! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

... and now I remember that I don't hae Sky Sports 1, so I can't see it. Bugger.

I think Steamboat is going to make a minor comeback! Hopefully he won't go overboard as there was a reason for him retiring in the first place!

Shame the Great Khali kiss is going to be a PPV now and not on Smackdown.

Did anyone see the Chavo/Santino segment?

I did Shaun...twas very funny

Santino noticing Chavo...."Oooh Chavo...dun dun dun.."

search on youtube for 1mandynasty466, keeps ECW, Raw & Smackdown on there, or 1mandynastyppv for, well, ppv's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQudK5qAyU The Santino segment.

Yeah already watch the shows from his account.

Man, Raw hasn't been too good lately. Not a lot of wrestling on it anymore, and the stuff we do get are like 2 minute matches with Carlito vs. Kendrick, and like 3 other matches at around like 5 minutes. The Orton/McMahons feud is starting to feel a little long and it feels like it's run its course.

Raw was interesting last night. I hope sky sports don't take ad breaks next week either.

And why was MVP wearing a Man United Jersey?

The no ad breaks thing was a one off. There were no breaks on the US broadcast either.

Donald Trump as the new owner of Raw is... interesting.

Anyone notice Punk had Misawa on his taped up arm last night?

Haha, Trump the ower of RAW? He's probably gonna appear next week and then give a handfull of taped satellite appearances.

Bradshaw101 wrote:There were no breaks on the US broadcast either.

I thought that was next week?

'Dub wrote:

Bradshaw101 wrote:There were no breaks on the US broadcast either.

I thought that was next week?

It is, but Bradshaw101 thinks he knows everything.


To Outlaw: I doubt they will, otherwise they'll end up having to go into roughly 30 minutes overrun to accommodate the ads.

Outlaw2x4 wrote:Anyone notice Punk had Misawa on his taped up arm last night?

Thought that was a great gesture by Punk.

Speaking of which, he's doing an excellent job of walking that fine tweener line. That triple threat on Monday was awesome.

The Stig wrote:

'Dub wrote:

Bradshaw101 wrote:There were no breaks on the US broadcast either.

I thought that was next week?

It is, but Bradshaw101 thinks he knows everything.


To Outlaw: I doubt they will, otherwise they'll end up having to go into roughly 30 minutes overrun to accommodate the ads.

I will look out for the product placement during the show itself.

That will be fun to see. Wont get to see it tonight though, which sucks as last week was really fun.

Drat time again...given last years was on this same page I think it's time to downgrade the wrestling aspect of the site...

Anywsay - WWE just openly referenced David Arquette as champion...WTF! Even in jest, even in WCW, I never saw them wanting to admit that ever happened

SD gets Diva pick - Kelly Kelly

Lose Mickie James and Maria, replace them with Kelly Kelly.....not exactly keeping the in-ring balance there.

SD gets Big Show
RAW gets John Morrison
RAW gets R-Truth
RAW gets Edge (knew he or Jericho would move, but expected Y2J)
SD gets Kofi
SD gets Christian Given his high-profile "free agency" a couple of months back this is a bit of a surprise - keeping him away from Edge or building on him + Slater v Jericho?
RAW gets Jericho So forget that last comment...

Supplemental draft

Raw selects THE GREAT KHALI and RANJIN SINGH.
SMACKDOWN selects CHAVO GUERRERO
SMACKDOWN selects CODY RHODES
RAW selects NATALYA
SMACKDOWN selects CHRIS MASTERS
RAW selects EZEKIEL JACKSON
RAW selects GOLDUST
SMACKDOWN selects HORNSWOGGLE
RAW selects JTG x Recinded during the live draft
SMACKDOWN receives ROSA MENDES
RAW selects Unified Tag Team Champions THE HART DYNASTY (Tyson Kidd & David Hart Smith)
SMACKDOWN receives MVP

Well SmackDown have...nothing.

My guess is that without ECW they want to use it to "trial" new champs/main eventers.

Taker is part time
Kane and Big Show are reliable guys but more often upper card establishers these days
Punk is in a non-main event stable role at the moment. SES is good but not a champion's stable a la DX, Ministry or Evolution as it stands
Rey is supposed to be out with his knee injury again soon

Which means that along with Swagger as champ, there's a lot of space for trying out newer or unproven guys. Most likely candidates you've got:

Christian
MVP
Kofi
Rhodes
McIntyre

If nothing else, this gives a good few months of main event feuds to try out.

I'm thinking that this may have been triggered by TNA and the aging roster combining to convince Vinnie that newer stars are needed. They've lost HBK, Taker's part-time, Rey has admitted he's only gota couple of years left, Batista's quitting, Edge is injury-prone and nursing his neck...

There has only really been Punk added to the main event since the emergence of Edge, and only really them, Cena, Orton and Rey in the last decade. The rest of the main event is guys from the Attitude era - HHH, Taker, Show, Kane, Jericho (Edge and Rey even come from then as well). The sooner he starts preparing the ground the better, he probably thionks, especially as TNA are picking up those he doesn't use at alarming rate.

A very average Viewer's Choice Raw...but the last 15 minutes were absolutely tremendous , interesting to see what happens next

Did'nt see the NXT angle coming. Impressed how they were allowed to reck the whole joint, will cost vince a few dollars to fix.